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metaphortunate son ([personal profile] metaphortunate) wrote2013-06-26 08:31 pm

mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be mamas

Don't have kids, guys.

Seriously. Just don't do it. Have long lazy afternoons puttering around. Have inventive, acrobatic, energetic sex that you're not too tired for and don't have to get finished before the baby wakes up. Have good relationships where you can pay attention to each other. Have relaxed lazy evenings in bars with friends and interesting cocktails. Have a career you can put your heart and soul into. Have hobbies. Have political interests that you can do work on. Have good friends, that you can stay close to. Have conversations that don't get interrupted four times a minute. Have parties. Go to parties and don't leave at 7. Go to parties that don't cost $60 for the babysitter. Go on planes and don't spend fifteen hours with someone crying and trying to climb up you by hanging on to your nipples. Don't spend your life wiping poop. Don't spend your life wiping noses. Don't spend your life wiping someone else endlessly. For the love of god, don't put yourself through pregnancy. Don't fill your house with plastic crap. Don't fill your life with worry about whether the baby's doing all right and getting everything it needs. Don't shift yourself down to about #12 on your own list of priorities. Don't get yourself stuck in a situation good and hard. Don't spend all your time having to tell someone "no" literally every 2 minutes, all day, every day. Don't spend all your time fighting with someone about every single thing that has to get done in a day, from going up stairs to eating dinner. Don't do it. I'm telling you: don't have kids. Let other people send you pictures of their kids and feel a bit wistful about it, before you move on to your latest book or TV show or project or pet or trip or job or nap. Have a life. Have love. Have yourself.

The Junebug continues to be wonderful and adorable. He continues to be the easiest baby ever. I don't regret having him. But I can sort of tell that I can't. It's not biologically possible right now, apparently. Which I'm sure is for the best. But if you haven't gotten yourself into this yet? Run. Run now. Run away from anything that might get you into this and never look back.
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[personal profile] lovepeaceohana 2013-06-27 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
AMEN.

Also, if you do manage to have one, definitely don't have more. It doesn't actually gt easier. Oh, sure, they'll light up your heart in all kinds of new and exciting ways, but they'll also tear it to bit in new and exciting ways, and that's to say nothing of anything you ever owned or thought to be important.
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[personal profile] lovepeaceohana 2013-06-28 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Top shelf! <3

(Also holy spelling errors in that original comment Batman - *get, *bits)
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[personal profile] laurashapiro 2013-06-27 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
I really appreciate your honesty.
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[personal profile] jae 2013-06-27 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
See, I respect it but I don't appreciate it. This is what I've always assumed my friends who had kids were thinking (I see it in their eyes and sometimes in their entire faces), and I wish I hadn't heard it from someone I trusted to tell me the truth. I would much rather delude myself into thinking that my friends with kids are just so different from me that they actually enjoy all that stuff I would hate.

-J
Edited 2013-06-27 10:01 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jae 2013-06-27 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, but it doesn't, really. (I mean, I figured.) And I wish I were the sort of person who could be made to feel all superior by a post like this, but I'm just not.

-J
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[personal profile] jae 2013-06-27 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That helped a little, actually. Thanks.

-J
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[personal profile] wordweaverlynn 2013-06-27 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Either answer has a high price. Over the years of my fertility I repeatedly chose the No for good reasons. It was the right choice, and it let me say Yes to many other big things. It still hurts like hell. And yeah, it helps to hear that a good mother with all kinds of advantages I never had still has a hard time with it. Not in a schadenfreude way -- just that it's easier to bear my own No. Because far, far worse than saying No is living with the consequences of saying Yes and then doing it disastrously.
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[personal profile] wordweaverlynn 2013-06-30 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
True enough. But the other side is the joy you can take in the delightful antics of the Junebug and sibling-to-be (which I genuinely love hearing about, because I adore kids), and the joy I take in my freedoms: little ones like keeping weird hours without having to worry about baby feeding schedules, medium-sized ones like driving alone at night fast on country roads, and giant dysfunctional-family-sized ones like NEVER HAVING TO DEAL WITH MY EX-HUSBAND EVER AGAIN. And his family, who make my family look normal. Do you realize how scary that is?

Seriously, I refused to have a baby with that man because his parents were so insane and he refused to get any help. In times of emergency or horror, I cheer myself up by thinking, "Although I have to deal with these seventeen crises, at least I am not also dealing with my husband's reaction to any of them. Or his mother's. Or his father's" although my father-in-law was dead before I left my marriage.

How crazy were they? When the grandkids (aged 4 and 2) got slightly different toys in their gift baskets, my MIL stole the "better" toy from the younger child to give to the older one. In her world, the oldest child (like her) must always have the best -- she was quite open about it. Which explains why she was so nasty to her second-born, my husband. I knew the nastiness would be spread to our kids.

Anyway, this started out as a celebration of the joys inherent in each decision, not an explanation of my weird in-laws.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2013-06-27 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
I am so glad I never wanted kids.

Chronic fatigue + chronic pain + kids... I just wouldn't be able to cope.
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[personal profile] wild_irises 2013-06-27 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
All this made me think of is Leon Rosselson's marvelous "Don't Get Married". (Various performances on YouTube, but the link is to the lyrics.)

So don't get married, it'll drive you round the bend
It's the lane without a turning, it's the end without an end
Change your lover every Friday, take up tennis, be a nurse
But don't get married, girls, for marriage is a curse
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[personal profile] jae 2013-06-27 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
*cringing*

-J
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[personal profile] ironed_orchid 2013-06-27 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
I very much enjoy being an aunt. I would be happy to be an atheist version of a godparent. I have been happy to share a home with and/or date people with children.

But I don't want any of my own, and realizing that means there's not even any wistfulness, just joy that other people are making different decisions to me.
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[personal profile] loligo 2013-06-27 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
That is definitely one truth about having kids, and it's the one that fits my experience. But it's not everyone's truth. I work with parents every day who say things like "becoming a parent literally saved my life" or "I have so much more strength and confidence now that I'm a parent" or any number of other radically positive transformations. I could say more about this, but speaking of work, I'm running late....
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[personal profile] loligo 2013-06-27 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yo, maybe that's part of my problem: my life was pretty good before!

Seriously, this. This is what I'm learning: becoming a parent is *always* a radical transformation... and if you wait until you have a happy marriage and a fulfilling career and an enjoyable social life and all those great things... THEY GET TRANSFORMED. They are not the same! And that's a real loss that weighs against all the other things that you gain.

If you become a parent when your life is less formed, less fulfilled, more burdened with troubles... yeah, there's a real possibility that you're going to crash and burn. But it's also possible that this wild infusion of beauty and power and meaning is going to fuel you to make changes and reach goals that you weren't even dreaming of before. We see that a lot. We're not just there to prevent the crashing-and-burning, we're there to facilitate and celebrate the transformation.
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[personal profile] lovepeaceohana 2013-06-28 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
Well the funny thing about parenting is that all those truths can be true at the same time! Becoming a parent has both literally almost killed me and also literally saved my life; parenting has given me so much more strength and confidence and parenting has also worn me down beyond the point I thought it was possible for my self to erode. And that to me is what's the most exhilarating/exhausting thing about it, is that it's ALL THE THINGS ALL THE TIME. It's fantastic and horrifying and fills me with awe and terror, and even in the moments when I regret having said YES I'm still aware of all the pieces of the experience that have been worth it.
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[personal profile] kore 2013-06-27 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww.

Well, actually at least at some point he will start wiping his own poop! That will no longer be your job!

I think at some point every parent feels this and it's the flip side to the joys of parenting -- it's just inevitable when you do it. Only half-humourously, this is why I have cats.
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[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2013-06-27 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry things are rough right now, and I hope they improve.

(It took me quite a while to even consider having a second child, for the reasons in your post. I would not give the same advice, but I certainly sympathize with the feelings prompting it.)
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[personal profile] snippy 2013-06-27 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I applaud your honesty because when I had littles, I felt intense social pressure not to admit there were any negatives to having and parenting children. Especially because I worked full time (still do) and any negativity might have been interpreted as a desire to leave my job so I could do a better parenting job.
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[personal profile] resonant 2013-06-28 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! This is what I came here to say. Personally I'm very happy to have a child (and equally happy only to have one), but I resent deeply the pressure to pretend that it's an easy task, or an unmixed pleasure, or deeply emotionally satisfying on an hour-by-hour basis. Or that its difficulties are funny.

Of course, if we took at all seriously the costs of being a parent (OK, let's be honest, mostly I mean being a mother), then we'd have to consider ways to change it, and an awful lot of people have an awful lot to gain from considering motherhood an unchangeable product of nature rather than a thing that's socially constructed like everything else.
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[personal profile] surexit 2013-06-27 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
My mum turned round to me one day when I was about ten and said, "If anyone had ever told me how hard it was to have four, I'd never have done it."

TRAUMATIC. Which one of us does she wish unborn? :( (Answer: none, obv, but we understandably make her tired.)
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[personal profile] jesse_the_k 2013-06-28 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes indeedy.

Because I heard those facts you set out from my mother.

Pretty much ensured I wouldn't have kids, and that I got away from her as fast as I could.
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[personal profile] laceblade 2013-06-27 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay. ;)

Seriously, though, I think my sister starting to have kids when I was 12 (she's 15 years older than me) has been a huge influence on my whole attitude towards kids, which is basically, "Yeah, no."
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[personal profile] norah 2013-06-29 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I am in hour 2 of a "go the fuck to sleep" standoff with a tiny terrorist. I hear this so loud and clear right now.