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metaphortunate son ([personal profile] metaphortunate) wrote2011-12-22 11:06 pm

performing femininity

I own a purse, two skirts, and a dress! And I have been wearing them! I have leveled up in Girl.

I got my skirts from Effie's Heart. They only go up to size XL (about a 14-16?) but if you can fit into that, they have some nice stuff. And sales. I got this skirt for a total of $18 with discount!

A-line skirts are nice because if they're at least knee-length then no one is seeing your underwear no matter how you sit. Unfortunately they are just not as warm as pants. On the other hand, if you have tights that fit, then my GOD they are comfy.

When I decided to get a purse I started looking around at people's bags and it's one of those things that I never noticed before but when I started thinking about it, wow, people carry a lot of bags. Well, probably a lot of it is also that I walk around and use public transport. Drivers probably just haul shit around in their cars. But people walking around need all kinds of bags. You know what's amazing to me? Women who carry around purses so big that they could have a purse dog in there and no one would ever know except that their purse dog could be a German Shepherd. If I were carrying around one of those purses I would be all leaning to the side and huffing and puffing. But they're just casually swinging it along with the other bag they're probably carrying. They clearly carry that purse every single day, they're so used to it. What do they have in there? What 3 cubic meters of stuff do you need with you every single day?

So I've been thinking more about makeup, on account of stuff like this. And I go back to, if you dress butch then not wearing makeup is a no-brainer; makeup isn't very butch. But if you dress femme and don't wear makeup, then do you look like you're too hippie to or not organized enough to? Of course, Corporette is a blog for lawyers; my workplace is much more casual. But on the third hand, I got called "young lady" the other day. In a joking manner, but still - I'm about to be 37. That ain't right. Anyway, I haven't started wearing makeup, but I thought I'd do some research in case I decided I wanted to. So I googled "minimal makeup". What I found was articles on how the no makeup look is the hot look right now and how to achieve it for which you will apparently need three separate types of concealer. THE POINT, YOU HAVE MISSED IT.

Good things about wearing a purse: you don't have to keep transferring shit between your pockets; much less chance of accidentally running chapstick through the wash with your clothes; when going through security such as at the airport or, just to pick a random example, when spending the day with your tiny son at the emergency passport center (long story), it is much easier to just throw a purse on the conveyor belt than it is to dig every last random penny and scrap of lint out of your various pockets.

Bad things about wearing a purse: you don't. That is, you wear it when you're out, but you don't wear it around the house or the office. This is really awkward! I keep my lip gloss in my purse now, but now that means I don't have it with me every time I go to the bathroom, which means my lips are all chapped because I don't have the opportunity to reapply it when I go to the bathroom! And what about having your phone around? Do you just not answer your cell phone when you're at home cause you can't hear it cause it's in the other room in your purse? When you're stuck in the bathroom, do you just read shampoo bottles like it's 1998? Skirt-wearing people who are used to not having pockets: how do you deal with this? You have to wear a watch still, right?
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[personal profile] karenhealey 2011-12-23 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
Blah, the no-makeup look is always supposedly the hot look and while I can do it, I fail to see the point.

If I wear lipstick, it will be red! And I will shellack it onto my lips; it will not MOVE. If I wear eyeliner damn right it will be a thick black line or plum line or whatever colour I feel like line. I want people to know it's there; I want my eyes to be framed! And mascara? Heck yes I love mascara! Let's ladle that on some!

tl;dr I regard makeup, when I don't have to wear it for business drag, as fingerpainting on my face. And I don't fingerpaint with neutrals.
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[personal profile] dancingsinging 2011-12-23 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
FWIW, when I do makeup, I do a "no-makeup look" because otherwise I feel ridiculous. But I don't use four types of concealer. I just use mineral powder, light eyeliner and/or mascara, and a tinted lip gloss. I personally found at work that people took me more seriously and assumed I was smarter/more competent when I made an effort with my appearance. I didn't get all scientific about it, but I think the benefits at work were more correlated to how much I spent on my clothes and hair. I never separated the variables, though, so I can't really say.

I hope you're enjoying your new femme'd out look! You should post pics. :D
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[personal profile] veejane 2011-12-23 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
My criteria for a purse are: just enough compartments to minimize rummaging; big enough to carry a novel; not more heavy than its contents; sturdy handles. The sturdy-handles thing, I can't tell you. Go for the ones that are leather double-folded and sewn over a stiff plastic form like on classic briefcases.

(I also prefer purses I can hang from my shoulder easily -- so, long sturdy handles --, so I can "wear" them. But I also keep my work ID and transit pass in a little tether attached to my purse, that I can disattach and carry/wear for short trips around the workplace.)

For chapstick/lipstick reapplication, there are cheap lipstick cases that come with a tiny mirror, so you don't have to be in the bathroom to reapply. Although honestly, I do chapstick blind, and almost never wear makeup. But I have a mirror in case I need one!! (Also a Leatherman multi-tool, because I'm not that feminine.)
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[personal profile] ginny_t 2011-12-23 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not know about the cell phone and purse thing. I was in a personal security talk a couple of weeks ago, and they talked about what to do when stuck on an elevator (old building). Yeah, you can call for help using the control panel, but then they talked about using your cell phone to amuse yourself while waiting. That's fine, but I don't carry mine around with me; it's in my purse. Even if I did carry it around, when I have duties around the building, they specifically do not want me to have my cell phone with me because it's a Big Deal if it rings, and you're going to forget to put it on vibrate some time, or the vibrate interferes with the microphones, so just don't.

Yeah, I got nuthin'.
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[personal profile] laurashapiro 2011-12-23 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Those clothes are gorgeous! I might buy some pants at Effie's Heart, because they look like they would actually work for my body. So thanks for the rec!

I loathe purses. LOATHE. I have two backpacks: a frumpy one for my gym stuff, which I bring on workout days, and a leather one styled nicely enough to be a purse, which I carry if I absolutely must have a bag. I have a teeny beaded clutch for Occasions, which gets trotted out maybe once every two years. Otherwise, I am all about pockets. It helps that I don't need to carry much stuff: iPod, earbuds, wallet (a "man's" wallet), keys, chapstick, hanky, done. Whatever book I'm reading usually goes in the handled paper bag I carry my lunch in. ::shrug::

I gave up makeup 15 years ago and never looked back. It's fun to have it available for drag or a mask, and of course I do wear it on job interviews (grumbling all the way). But other than that, I feel just fine in a dashing professional ensemble without any makeup at all. IMO we are lucky on the west coast -- this is an acceptable look now to all except the most corporate types.
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i think of myself as 'low femme,' FWIW :)

[personal profile] futuransky 2011-12-23 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I dress femme without makeup all the time. I moisturize and wear lip balm when I want to feel more put-together, and wear actual makeup only for special occasions.

I also carry one of those GIANT PURSES. It usually has my computer, charger, kindle, extra book, notepad, wallet, snack, meds I might need, emergency tampons... I don't know how people possibly manage with just their pockets! :)

And I shamelessly carry my phone, which lives in the little pocket on the side of my GIANT BAG, into the bathroom with me. Though I do put it in my pocket when I have one.
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[personal profile] snarp 2011-12-23 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
My solution to the phone/chapstick problem has been to keep just those things, a handkerchief, and my keys in my pockets. Probably if I were truly dedicated to the art of pursery, I would, like, get one with a matching detachable billfold specially designed for these items, and remember to take that with me everywhere, because I am perfect.

I have been reading this column at the Hairpin in my quest to figure out makeup for work, and while it occasionally has useful stuff, the writer doesn't have much sense of budget; like, she's frequently kind off-handedly recommending this brand of tinted moisturizer that's $42, as if there is nothing at all off-putting about that price. And she'll often recommend that people try several different things in that price range to see what works. Sorry, not going to happen! If I am going to spend $100+ on an experiment, it will be, like, a robotics kit or something.
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[personal profile] oyceter 2011-12-23 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I dress fairly femme and never wear makeup because it's too annoying and I always rub it over my face no matter how smear proof it supposedly is.

My purses have gotten more and more giant, especially now that I am taking public transportation... I don't actually like having a lot of stuff in it, but I like having the room just in case I want to! OMG. But I have so much random stuff in the pockets of my purse! (Notepad, discount movie tickets, pen, various IDs, wallet, nook, phone, inhaler, chapstick, nail clipper, bonus hair thing when I remember, emergency tampons, emergency tissue, keys, checkbook...) I like purses with a long strap so you can sling them.

I think I just get in the habit of carrying my phone everywhere now! But the chapstick thing, it is annoying! Right now I have three (purse, bedroom, work), but if I am spending a long time in the computer room, I get chapped lips because I keep forgetting to walk over to my purse and apply!
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[personal profile] kalmn 2011-12-24 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
wow, i am still totally ragey and reactive to having to dress more femme for work. because i read about you doing the same thing, and damned if i don't want to get my hair cut off so it's only an inch long and go wear my last three two sizes too big flannel shirts all at the same damn time.
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[personal profile] karenhealey 2011-12-24 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.rimmellondon.com/uk/products/lipstick-lock/

Stings a bit when you apply it, but by god it will not smear.
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[personal profile] veejane 2011-12-24 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The traditional way is to dust your lips with loose powder, blot, then apply lipstick. For some reason the lipstick is way stickier that way. (Also, it doesn't sting.) This presumes you have loose powder, which is the stuff famous people put on so their foreheads aren't shiny in photographs. This is the entire extent of what I know about loose powder.

Some "stay forever" lipsticks come in two parts, either an undercoat or the overcoat-type that Karen linked to. I would tend to advocate the undercoat approach, just because it hews to tradition.
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[personal profile] veejane 2011-12-24 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel your pants pain. I switched to women's because I would like the record to show that I do have a waist; but the downside is the crappy or nonexistent pockets.

Cargo/painter's pants are my favorites, outside of work. Sadly, I am not a painter or a cargo...er, so they're not work-appropriate.
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[personal profile] veejane 2011-12-24 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know -- I see plenty of men with those horrible little holsters for their tiny computers on their belts. Often, more than one holster. I mean, I commute through a tech corridor, so it might be a point of pride, "Dude! I need more than one holster! Phear my computertude!!", but it's a look I would not exactly advocate for the general public.

(Also, these same men seem prone to pleated khakis, so it's not like they don't HAVE capacious pockets. But they still wear their tech gear on their belts, as if reaching into a pocket is too much effort. So it's possible that tech corridor men are those kind of men who park backwards in grocery store parking lots, so that they can just hop back in the car and pull out, tires squealing, like suburban Batmans.)
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[personal profile] laurashapiro 2011-12-26 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. It's a choice, and in my experience I'm much more comfortable that way.